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  1. #401
    I am new and confused regarding stop loss. I shorted AUD/USD and the market went against me. I corrected my stop loss further to let volatility and ended up losing 20 percent of my account. Afterwards I shorted twice on the EUR/USD with a tight stop loss (7 pips) and both were taken out and moments later, the price went down 70pips. I lost 35% of my account in a month and I feel like a loser although I do not wish to give up learning to trade Currency Market.
    Trade smaller place sizes before you work out your strategy

  2. #402
    quote trade smaller place sizes before you work out your strategy
    Great advice.

    Simply to include

    Seen so many punters who need leverage of 400:1 use it and abuse it.

    If some person is supplying you 400:1 that they want you to blow up your account by dangling the carrot.

    Trade really tiny positions at first and allow that excess leverage to work for you rather than the broker.

    DO NOT put in a stop loss in the market. Instead replace it and see how you journey.

    You will be amazed that you have the correct position/idea only for it to be taken away by a potentially a large market order and then it retraces back favourably to your trade.

    For your retail punter that the goal of the game is to keep your self in it.

  3. #403
    Senior Member jgaleras's Avatar
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    I am new and confused about stop loss. I shorted AUD/USD and the market went . I adjusted my stop loss further to let volatility and ended up losing 20 percent of my account. Later I shorted twice on the EUR/USD with a tight stop loss (7 pips) and both were taken out and moments after, the price moved down 70pips. I lost 35 percent of my live account in a month and I feel like a loser although I do not wish to give up learning to trade forex.
    Yes. Smaller places. If you're dropping your trading volume is high in correlation with your account balance.

  4. #404
    I am new and confused about stop loss. I shorted AUD/USD and the market went . I corrected my stop loss to allow volatility and ended up losing 20 percent of my account. Later I shorted twice on the EUR/USD using a tight stop loss (7 pips) and both were removed and minutes later, the price went down 70pips. I lost 35 percent of my account in a month and I feel like a loser although I do not wish to give up learning to trade Foreign Exchange.
    I'm new to it well. You should do what I do get a strategy going and then manually backtest it on charts. It's time consuming, however you will understand every kind of wave/situation you are able to come across and get used to it and know what's worthy going for. After viewing hundreds of charts I see charts much better today... then forward evaluation on demo, or forward evaluation with small positions. Also, to speed things up, you are able to draw a line mark for each trade entry (ignore the calculations for win/loss, quote it e.g. 2.5R, record in small table). The lineup mark is no more than a vertical small line for your transaction entry on the chart (from entrance price to stop loss price). Eventually of course you bring in an excel document. Yes, it's tough work getting there, however, this is to learn it since until you have seen many charts you would not have learned it.

  5. #405
    For trading we must use a stop reduction first exchange with a stop loss will force us able to restrict the risk properly. We do not understand where the market will proceed in uncertain and therefore the use of stop loss, the risk can be minimized by good

  6. #406
    It's hard to properly place a stop loss tool it can actually stop loss. It's either too early or too late. Either way it costs you money. You will loose money faster from stop reduction activation that is untimely than from trading in the wrong market management. Same is true for mega lots. Well managed 1k lots can perform a lot better compared to mega lots. The bigger the lots, the bigger and faster the losses. I believe it is better to trade more pairs in Ik portfolio than to trade only 2 - 3 5k or lots.

    That which I use stop reduction tool for is to take about 90% of any established P/L of $10 and above on all trades - day, extended or swing. If you can score 90% you'll an'A' level trader.

  7. #407
    Junior Member Carlttra19's Avatar
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    Hello, every one! I have a question that anybody trade without stop-losses, and successed? Trading without stop-loss could be carried out? Has any opinion, plz? thanks.
    Would you drive a vehicle without applying breaks? Its impossible!
    Trading without stoploss is risky and thoroughly unprofessional. If you've been trading Foreign Exchange for a while, you would remember the CHF issue that occured and there was a spike of pips in seconds. Those on the side of the trend and without stoploss would have their accounts wiped off.

    Irrespective of your strategy, what makes you profitable on the long term trading Foreign Exchange is your money management ability of which stoploss in a single. When placing a transaction, the very first question you must ask in not exactly what profit you're targeting but how much you're prepared to risk (or better still lose).

  8. #408
    Senior Member jgaleras's Avatar
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    quote Can you drive a car without applying breaks? Its impossible! Trading with no stoploss is risky and highly unprofessional. If you've been trading Foreign Exchange for a while, you would remember the CHF issue that occured and the way that there was a significant spike of over 2,000 pips over minutes. Those on the wrong side of this tendency and with no stoploss would certainly have their accounts wiped off. Irrespective of your strategy, what exactly makes you profitable on the long-term trading Foreign Exchange is the money management skill of which stoploss in...
    It's entirely feasible to have been on the wrong side of this CHF quagmire rather than be exposed to a margin call. Simply do the math.

  9. #409
    quote Can you drive a car without applying breaks? Its impossible! Trading with no stoploss is risky and highly unprofessional. If you've been trading Foreign Exchange for a while, you would remember the CHF issue that occured and how there was a heavy spike of over 2,000 pips over minutes. Those on the side of this trend and with no stoploss would have their accounts wiped off. Irrespective of your strategy, what exactly makes you profitable on the long term trading Foreign Exchange is your money management skill of that stoploss at...
    Good point about not driving the Forex vehicle without fractures. But there could be ways of employing breaks without terminating a position. In case you have ever taken time to watch the beat by beat market price movement, you would have discovered that crazy spikes or dips occur that triggers stop loss tools and still continues the same market trend.
    Just after I have made up $5 - $10 on a trade, do I begin protecting 4 out of every 5 dollars with a stop loss tool. Without tapping into the trading capital the commerce pays for its expenses. The way that you know when your trades close in green or the blue, that is. Every time a trade prematurely closes in sunlight, it taps into the equity, and also the more this happens, the quicker the portfolio sinks.
    What I have recommended in my previous postings on portfolio hedging, is to place two reverse trades of equal amounts, involving the same currency at all times. This permits the currency pair to trade in both directions and contain any fluctuations in the market.
    To illustrate this concept, let us say I am selling 2k components of EUR/USD pair. Any time this pair is being sold, it is a powerful trade for the dollar and a commerce for the EUR. A protective reverse trade with this currency pair would be buying only one 2k components of EUR/JPY and promoting units of USD/JPY. Buying 2k EUR/JPY supplies 2k powerful EURs to neutralize the 2k weak EURs at EUR/USD while the sale 2k USD/JPY offers 2k weak dollars to neutralize the effect of 2k powerful dollars in EUR/USD. Note that in selling EUR/JPY the 2k JPYs accounts the 2k JPYs that is weak at buyin 2k USD/JPYs.
    This reconciliation of currency pairs can get very complicated, particularly when many more currency pairs are involved. But once this tight balancing is reached, it takes away the stress about market reversals or market crashes. Until a trader is experienced enough to balance the trades between numerous currency pairs, it is safer to trade simple baskets like the one.

  10. #410
    Junior Member Carlttra19's Avatar
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    quote Good point about not forcing the Forex vehicle without breaks. However there might be safer ways without terminating a winning position of employing breaks. If you have ever taken time to watch the beat by beat market price motion, you would have noticed that wild spikes or drops occur every now and then triggers stop loss tools and continues the same market trend. Just after I've made up $5 - $10 on a trade, do I begin protecting 4 out of every 5 dollars with a stop loss tool. Now...
    I'm not likely to be querying your trading strategy, but then I believe hedging is risky. Besides we must see this particular question was asked by a rookie trader who needs opinion of seasoned traders. Its best to let a newbie get used to the simple use of stop loss. Yes I agree there are innovative program of prevent losses but then we must realize there is a possibility that this person may not have a profitable strategy yet thereby making him more prone to wiping off his account.

    With proper risk management, prevent loss even helps to protect your account even in the event of a losing trade. If you are on a $1,000 account with a high leverage and you are trading 0.1 lots per trade with a 50pip stop loss, you only need 20 losing trades to blow your account. However, if you are trading 0.05 lots a trade, you may need to make 40 consecutive loses before your account is wiped out. But in all honesty, even if you are having up to 5 consistent loses in a row you have to stop trading and re evaluate your strategy.

    Also of notice is that the time frame the person is trading and the trading style. I'm a swing trader, so that I exchange with the long term trend in view. I look at the Daily and Weekly chart for base and trend my entrance on time period that is 4Hr. I really do have a stop loss but move my stop loss to break once the trade is reasonably within my own direction. One of the rules of successful forex trading is not to allow a winning trade turn.

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