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  1. #311
    Interestingly, when I ceased using stop losses, that is when I became completely profitable. I've dismissed the idea of risk-reward ratio. And up to now, it made me recover of my losses and return into form.
    Glad it works for you but I d advice anybody not to do like you:-)

  2. #312
    quote Glad it works for you but d advice anyone not to do like you:--RRB-
    Exactly! And i agree with you. But here is another catch. I begin my account to an amount that I'm always willing to discount 100%. But I leave the half to trading and withdraw the cash after I recover it all. Given that I've already withdrawn my initial capital, I'm not afraid to eliminate the current fund. This is the reason why I'm unafraid not to bring a stop loss.

  3. #313
    quote Exactly! And i agree with you. But here is another catch. I begin my account to an amount I'm always keen to blow 100%. But I leave the half to trading and draw the cash, after I recover it all. Given that I have already withdrawn my capital, I am not scared to drop the current fund. This is why I am unafraid to not bring a stop loss.
    hahaha. . .ok, I know know. Your explanation is crystal clear, fantastic luck to you!

  4. #314
    quote Well, coming from my experience, when I removed my stop losses, I managed to meet my targets more frequently. There were many times in the market on which the price would have a sudden spike up (or down) that could cause my stop losses to be triggered, only to find out that the price could just return and then hit my target. These were I lost most of my transactions and I loathed it. But of course, I dont counsel this strategy. It is a really risky move not to stop losses. But if you're prepared to take these risks, then you may try if it suits...
    Yes, it occurred when you will find those spike up or downs (I call them ¨SL cleansers ), also in the event that you place the SL to brief, but when I burden pros and cons. . .with no doubt that I believe I minimize risk placing SL (within my own experience).
    I now read your last remark. . .and it clarifies everything. . .hahaha, you aren't scared to lose the money, that´s fine. . .for youpersonally, but not for me. . .lol

  5. #315
    quote Exactly! And i agree with you. But here's another catch. I start my account to an amount I'm always keen to discount 100%. But after I recover it all, I withdraw the money and leave the half to trading. Given that I have already withdrawn my capital, I'm no longer scared to eliminate the current fund. That is why I'm unafraid to not bring a stop loss.
    Fair enough, great if you've got your own money management technique

    If it works for you, dont change it ;-)

  6. #316
    Junior Member lara's Avatar
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    One should always use a stop loss if you will end up cutting your winning Transactions in order to Handle your losing trades, Rather than using a stop you are not removing risk You're postponing risk Using the Possibility of turning a small Reduction into a possible Enormous loss that'll damage your account and Lead to Psychological damage You Reduce your losses and let your winners run Perhaps Not the other way round this is something you must accept and embrace if You're ever to Succeed

  7. #317
    One should always use a stop loss if not you will wind up cutting off your winning transactions in order to manage your losing trades, by not employing a stop you are not removing risk you are postponing risk with the potential of turning a small reduction into a potential huge loss that will damage your account and cause psychological damage You cut your losses and let your winners run not the other way round this is something you must accept and adopt if you are ever to succeed
    Really? How do you explain what I have been doing now for a living?
    Trading using a SL is like giving the broker fuel to the fire convinced it may work on some occasions but they could see your placement and consequently your weakness (SL) and the trick they use is to expand spreads (Bid/Ask price) when/if price is close your SL so as to take out you, but then you would have known that if you had been trading for a living.

    Incidentally I love seeing people stating cut your losses and run your winners... run your winners to where the north pole? If you know where and when to run your winners would have the markets, the simple fact of reality is that you have no clue.
    Be realistic do not make things up from your bad experiences but state the facts out of success.

  8. #318
    quote Really? Then how do you explain what I have been doing successfully now for a living? Trading using a SL is similar to providing the broker fuel for the fire convinced it may work on some events but they could realize your positioning and consequently your weakness (SL) and also the trick that they use would be to expand spreads (Bid/Ask price) when/if price is close to your SL so as to take you outside, but then you would have understood that if you were trading for a living. Incidentally I love seeing folks saying cut your losses and run your winners... conduct your winners to where the north...
    I respect everyone trading, since risk management is a personal decision. But, I personally think that it is safer to use SL for apparent reasons.
    Said that, when you're speaking about SL make easier for the broker to perform against you with spreads and SL, then it's only when your broker is a market maker, otherwise the broker is simply a broker or intermediary and only earn money from the comissions.
    Some instances price move up or down 30, 40 or more pips in some seconds, other times there are slippages, and other times the challenge is mental and you wait to close a failure position expecting price reverse into your side....so placing SL looks much, much safer. . .and also are you watching the screen all of the time? It is a big effort to mepersonally, and with no SL Id be panicking when volatility is large, or there are a few appropriate news on earth. . .how do you feel about doing it?
    I know sometimes the price goes to consume SLs and after that come back into your winning position, and I hate that. . .so, I have learned to place SL a tiny bit longer than my analysis says (it doesnt hurt my pocket too much). And I feel secure if a few fast movement suddenly occur.
    Again, you can do whatever works for youpersonally, but it doesnt mean this is the best way for everyone (I am not saying youve said it).
    Good trading

  9. #319
    quote I respect everyone trading, because risk management is a private choice. But, I think it is a lot safer to use SL for obvious reasons. Said that, once you are talking about SL make easier for the broker to perform against you with spreads and SL, it is just if your broker is a market maker, otherwise the broker is only a broker or intermediary and just earn money in the comissions. Some instances price move down or up 30, 40 or more pips in certain seconds, other times there are slippages, and other times the problem is psychological and...
    OK I know you are not going to like what I'm going to state and no offence to you BUT your broker whether or not a market maker or not is in existence to make money for himself and his liquidity providers and not in 1 manner in any and many ways including spreads, slippage and carrying you from a trade that he retains 100% of their profit so once you say just market manufacturers do that really shows your lack of awareness of a broker or when I say both broker and liquidity provider. If a broker doesn't earn money he doesn't survive.
    I have been asked as an affiliate what disperse increase would I like and I wonder how much slippage they increase as well..this clearly demonstrates they are ready to do whatever scam it requires to maintain an institutional trader or some large traders within the tiny traders.

    In reaction to you and many here your number one enemy is the broker be it controlled or not, makes no difference. If you can overcome their manipulative ways you can turn to your strategy to make it profitable.

    I have single handed seen with my current ASIC regulated broker expand spreads drastically, increase slippage to an unacceptable amount so I am not discussing a dream here nor a fantasy but only by observation with a non market maker that's regulated.
    I.e all brokers are scammers, they must be to live but the issue is the most stupid people think that they are legit and honest.

    We are here as traders hence on the same side working to make profits so forexintradi the most significant thing you have said which I agree 100% is MM. Your success will be determined by that alongside your strategy and nothing else. The market will go where the market would like to go our job as traders is to get in and out with profits by beating brokers and market moves.

  10. #320
    Junior Member lara's Avatar
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    quote Really? How do you explain what I have been doing now for a living? Trading with a SL is similar to giving the broker fuel for the flame sure it might work on certain events but they could realize your positioning and hence your weakness (SL) and also the trick they use would be to widen spreads (Bid/Ask price) when/if price is close your SL in order to take out you, but then you'd have understood that if you were trading for a living. Incidentally I really like seeing folks saying cut your losses and run your winners... conduct your winners to where the north...
    What have you been doing sucessfully for years? Winners run with a trailing stop that I consider you're familiar with this? Don't tell me that I have no clue you ought to reign on your nasty and confrontational mindset man

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