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    Psychology is nothing

    Knowing is the game.

    Do you sense fear, greed, worry, or some other emotions when you, for example, fill up your vehicle?

    I know a rather”blond-between-the-ears” PhD that had been a spoon-fed brat from arrival, she was the youngest child, everything was handed to her, pretty much.

    Well, the very first time she went to fill up the car daddy bought her at a self indulgent gas station, she underwent a range of feelings from fruion to dread. She did not know where to put gas in, did not know how to work the pump, did not know how much to install, etc.. It was a nightmare.

    Was the difficulty all in her head? Did she want counseling to cope with these feelings? Did she want motivational tapes and books? No.

    She needed to know how to put gas in the vehicle. After she knew this, the emotion has been gone out of the experience, future and past.

    (She may have had to figure out for herself how to take action, in which event positive mindset would have played a role, and kept her from giving up and sitting in her vehicle in despair. But that's as far as that goes.)

    What's it mean to us?

    Of course the market will always have unknowns. On any trade, you might have made more or lost less, and so you are wrong on each trade to that extent. You can't know what, but you can know what to do.

    When you've observed a specific market pattern enough times to know this, or when you've been properly taught how to handle that specific situation and have confidence in that teaching, there will be no emotion involved. You merely do what you know you want to do. It could possibly be appropriate in this specific case, and it could possibly be wrong, but you are certain that, statistically, this is the thing you have to do, so you just do it.

    Just when you know, can you have”ice in your veins”.

    Today to go one further, there's nothing we find in the market that hasn't happened before.

    A newbie looks at charts and is confused. A pro looks at charts and watch trade setups. He knows his favorites, can easily identify him , he knows how to remain focused and await the confirmation. He knows exactly when his system says to enter this installment, how to manage the trade, and when to depart. This is based upon his being taught, his study, /or experience. He is the system. He is confident. He is profitable.

    What he's not any longer complied or hard to him than putting gas in a vehicle. There's a succession of steps to go through, and a couple of things to be cautious of and that's it.

    We are told day after day, by literally hundreds of people that trading is chiefly plogical. If you're not profitable, it's only in your head.

    That reminds me of a grade school teacher I had a dialogue with once. She said,”If he can't read we provide him an easier book. If he can't read that we provide him an easier one. If he can't read that people ship him upstairs to have him he must be ADD or something”

    Quite simply, it wasn't her job to teach him to see. If he can't read, he must be mentally ill!

    I figure that comes complete circle. Someone would have to be crazy to want to become a professional trader!

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    96520I forgot to mention that history does repeat itself. You are going to revert back to what you had to do if you do not stay within your own means and knowledge of your abilities. Remain fresh.

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    Junior Member Jtteanespe's Avatar
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    89980
    I concur.

    My point is, when you obtain certainty, you will have control over the feelings.

    Many people today believe if you just control the feelings, then you are going to be a fantastic trader. Not so. You have to understand how to trade.

    Even having a fantastic system is insufficient. You have to understand.

    My article on requotes is an illustration of one of those things, for me. From now on, there'll be no emotions when I'm confronted with this thing, but it is true for me, although it may not be accurate to everyone else.
    To sum up this whole mind blowing thinggy... only 1 word:
    DISCIPLINE
    Hard to get... but achievable.

    P/s: nobody really answer my question however... where really you guys got that amount of 95% thinggy? If you understand... where to find it? Any survey... research... sound data? Why every year just the same... 95% I am still sleepless about this. Seriously!

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    89980
    Sounds like you truly KNOW that 95% thinggy? People... educated me... please... in which you guys actually got that figure 95% from? Any hard prove? Seriously... I need to understand this... is it really true?

    Anyway... if trade with no plogy... might as well abandon it to the ROBOT. Then again... I do not TRUST the robot.

    Provided that I'm human being... I am quite pleased with whatever plogy I got.
    The 95% is only yet another thing that lots of individuals say. Never noticed it verified. Here is a great writeup with info.

    Https://www.cliqforex.com/general-fo...nectivity.html

    I would believe that 90 - 95% of accounts get blown, but there is most likely no way to monitor how many of those people move to another broker, as I have twice after blowing accounts and how many traders actually neglect.

    And, what constitutes failing? What if a person tries futures, loses his money, comes back in a couple of years and attempts stock choices, then a few years later goes to forex, blows 2 accounts then becomes profitable?

    Or, if he doesn't make it, how many failures does this count as?

    And, if he pops up like many people, together with his money is in mutual funds earning a nice return, did he neglect? (As a trader, I say yes, as an investor, no).

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    89980
    To sum up this entire mind blowing thinggy... just 1 word:
    DISCIPLINE
    Hard to acquire... but achievable.
    You can only have discipline only as long as you KNOW what to do!

    If you KNOW, and then DO it without hesitation and without think-think-think yes, possibly, hmmm.... That is discipline.

    Until you have knowledge, and rules to follow, the only discipline isn't to trade in any way. Learning is impossible or slow.

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    Junior Member goyag01's Avatar
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    Yes, me too, bro.

    I have been at it one year full-time, and I am now at the point where I believe I am in a position to learn and actually know.

    Before this, it had been mainly confusion, and I have been pretty tired of people saying it was only in my head, when there is not any good teaching on how to trade, so many sc, and everybody who's honestly trying to help, they all say different things, often the reverse.
    Just....As of me starting to compose this answer I had nearly 600 showing on my very first GJ trade now a little less today and I have opened and closed several others along the way and have made way in excess of the amount.

    I know this really is an exeptional day and I am sure many people have made these numbers, but my point is that I couldn't have completed this without what I have learnt in my brief trading career.

    The setup to brief was obvious (to me personally ), and it soon became evident that momentum was powerful and it would last.

    Sure Plogy plays a big role when your beginning, its bound to perform you do not understand what your doing.

    To me its about knowledge thats what make you powerful.

    Something else that may play a part is if a individual has the apptitude to trade much like you would have to be say an engineer, a few may never learn it.

    A bull and bear led persistance to stick at it rather than give up is another another usefull attribute. Perhaps this is actually the Plogy part, with the discipline to stick at it.

    I am ranting today and at risk of not knowing what I am ranting about.

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    Junior Member Jtteanespe's Avatar
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    You can just have discipline ONLY if you KNOW what to do!

    If you KNOW, and then DO it with no hesitation and with no think-think-think yes, maybe, hmmm.... That is discipline.

    Till you have knowledge, and rules to follow, the sole discipline is not to trade at all. Then learning is even impossible or slow.
    You really make me laugh Who's here really start from scratch and suddenly KNOW all of the knowledge of trading. What gave you such knowledge in the beginning? Your errors... where did you have your errors... from trading in the first place. Everyone have to begin somewhere.

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    89980
    I believe plogy is what drives the market. It is what drives your actions.

    Think of it this way: If you have ever taken a stupid trade (God knows I've been guilty.) Knowing isn't enough. You were failed by the Plogy.

    (The above assumes that you just broke a rule, etc. ) and not that you happened to overlook something. Errors do happen.)

    So I'd submit that both are crucial. Of course you have nerves of steel, and can get lucky. My very first trade was profitable. IN THE SOUTH AFRICAN RAND! (Was this brilliance? Hell no. It was luck)

    The point is that you need a healthy dose of both I believe. Because even when you understand what to do, your psyche has to believe it. I am able to look at charts daily and tell you in which they should go, but that doesn't mean at the heat of the moment I always get it right. I would have shaken out, etc..

    Any idiot can read a chart. It takes a fool to dismiss that feeling of terror you can get.

    However, yes...I see both points here.

    Now stop starting inflammatory threads.

    Clockwork I'm gonna kill the Kiwi Dollar 71
    I still take stupid trades, because I'm not a fantastic trader.

    If it is not a fantastic trade, it means I overlooked some thing. That is currently occurring less frequently. Don't take it for granted that any fool can read a chart. There is a lot of information there. I have trouble seeing.

    This morning I realized I had bought just below resistance. When I noticed that, I took 1 pip and got out. The market brokeout and that I would have hit my goal, but I considered it a triumph, since I saw my error and did the perfect thing. So I pulled the plug the transaction was certain at that time. No feelings involved.

    However, I needed to know the right thing to do, and then have the discipline to do it instead of staying in and hoping, wanting, cursing, waiting, agonizing, grieving,....

    Yes, if you are aware that it's not a fantastic trade, and take it anyway, then there's a problem.

    But I'm not a fantastic enough trader to be at there!!!

    Inflammatory? Moi?

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    Junior Member cokchabr's Avatar
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    89980p/s: nobody actually answer my question yet... where actually you guys got that figure of 95 percent thinggy? Should you understand... where to find it? Any survey... research... sound data? Why every year just the same... 95% I am still dizzy relating to this. Seriously!
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    In general, 95 percent is the assumption marketing plogy since statistically 100% is not possible.

    It's all marketing, 25.95$, 19.95$...

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    89980
    You really make me laugh Who's here actually start from scratch and suddenly KNOW all the understanding of trading. What gave you understanding in the beginning? Your errors... where did you have your errors... from trading in the first place. Everyone have to begin.
    I'm sorry you do not understand what I'm saying. Most of what you post agrees with that which I just got through saying.

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