How much do you make?

[Pilarpiluca]

Hello men! This is a thread. How much do you make per year from Currency Market trading only?
I will provide you a couple of options http://forums.babypips.com/images/smilies/yahoo/3.gif

negative
0 - 20 000
20 000 - 50 000
50 000 - 80 000
80 000 - 100 000
100 000
(please state what currency your gains/losses are)

I just wanna observe some numbers of how profitable Currency Market actually is, that is all. My guess is that most negative and make under 20 000.

[ThatWeedDude]

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@tadfaz

The reason is because placing up a statement means you are held accountable for your actions to the public.

For example if I set a statement, suddenly I become quite famous or become quite idiotic depending on whether im making money or not. This is undesirable pressure to my plogy. It won't make me trade better. So why do it?

Should you say people don't care if I'm bad or good, then why bother asking for a statement?

It's hard enough to keep a stable mind for trading, I don't require extra pressure... Very well stated. What ever happened? A person can show you a statement for the previous 8 months. In which each month they've posted profits of 5 percent. However in the event that you wind up this individual, and you lose 2 percent. You call that person a scammer. I for you follow no one. Yet I've heard a fantastic deal in the questions asked on forums. I made over 800%, this week . I could very well lose all of it. To counter that, you withdraw all profit, and try to repeat.

[Kavalieri]

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Hi guys! This is a ribbon. How much do you make per year from forex trading? Isn't this like heading up to some complete stranger in the street and asking to see their pay cheque?

I really don't know about you but when someone did that for me that the answer would not be over friendly.

Even when you did get a reply, what would you learn from it? You do not know whether you are asking the Office Junior or even the CEO.

In trading terms there are simply too many variables that affect the outcome beginning with account size.

[Jadede10]

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haha, I must state such whiny arguments I have really only come across in the trading field.
In any normal business or in sports anybody will boast about their performances, just how great they are, how fast they're,...
Not in the trading field, here we get all sensitive and are afraid to hurt our emotional balance and add additional pressure.
What a load of crap.
I come from a professional services background (auditing consulting financial services firms) and all I have ever seen are individuals that are complete in pressure and try through that pressure... https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336950.png

The issue is easy, why are traders so emotional? Makes me laugh, its anger etc. Whatever it is, that is trading, whomever started this knew that human nature is vulnerable when it comes to cash and no matter their skillls, nothing beats the internal individual .Its is those who manage aspect that make it.For you to create it, you ought to be unique not in reading the market or charts, coz that is pretty simple, but in managing emotions, that is it really, its all about emotion.
Plus noticed something? The market appears to talk to you when you are trading, and worse when you are not .It appears to directly tackle all of your thoughts, eg .If trading 4 pairs, you input just one, the other ones move in your path but your one does not, or even moves against you.sometimes its like if in a traffic jam and the rest of the lanes appear to be shifting but your isn't, when you switch lanes, it abruptly stops along with your previous lane starts moving too fast, if you switch again, the exact same thing happens -- it is a roller coaster

[ffernandwzc]

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https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336950.png

The issue is easy, why are traders so emotional? Makes me laugh, its all about emotion, anger etc. Whatever it is, that is trading, whoever started this knew that human character is exposed when it comes to money and no matter their skillls, nothing beats the inner individual .Its is those few who manage aspect that make it.For one to create it, you must be unique not in reading the market or charts, coz that is pretty simple, but in handling emotions, that is it really, its all about emotion.
Plus noticed something? ... in my standpoint these items are just true for pure amateurs. You need to function when you trade. Like an elite soldier turns away his dread when attacking enemies or a physician is turning away his emotions when operating a patient. Of course they had years until they can become emotionless machines of training.
Seems like everywhere are pure professionals who learned to turn off their feelings when it comes to their work, except in trading. There everyone is whining the crap out of it. Or you guys are amateurs. I personally don't understand these issues. I had these issues in my first year. From then on my own feelings have been totally left out of the trading enterprise.

But anyways, complain all you want, if you can't turn off your feelings, then you are in the wrong field.

[xwta]

I don't have success it does not suggest it can't be carried out. That means that I am more dumb then.

[Lolopawz9]

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from my point of view these things are only true for pure amateurs. You just have to function when you exchange. Just like an elite soldier turns away his fear when attacking a doctor is turning away his emotions when operating a patient. Of course they had years of training until they could become machines.
Seems like anywhere are pure professionals who learned to turn off their emotions when it comes to their job, except in trading. There everybody is whining the crap from it. Or you guys are all amateurs. Personally, I do not... Great post and I fully agree.

[nerissox]

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Do actual individuals actually earn money through trading? I have not seen or heard anybody yet.Please just show me signs, I am no longer sure about this trading enterprise. You are one individual between the 7 billion plus people alive right now. Your opinion is value but absolutely not accurate.

There's an average of $3.7 trillion daily turnover in global foreign exchange market that means that the above amount is changing hands every single moment.

Someone needs to be'very smart man' to feel that all this trillions end up to lean air and no traders triumph!

I am trading forex since 2001, started actual trading because 2005, have lost more than $12,000, was trading micro lots for 0,10 per pip for several years since I knew I will lose all of it, till I become a winner, it took me about 11 decades but I am here.

I had one winning day out of 4 - 5 six losing days, just in 1 day I lost $750 out of my hard earned cash and put my head down in my office crying and crying.

Some times was watching the market for approximately ten hours nonstop, was putting eye drops in my red eyes to ease them from display expose.

Forex has been the only way for me to earn a living like I just cannot do the job for a firm (overly independent minded) and also do actually like to become my own boss with less cash, but then this is my personality and you can not be like me, also I can not be like you.

Have you got the time,courage and energy to forfeit over 10 decades of your life to learn to trade forex? I DID!

You can turn into a winner forex trader when you have the proper INGREDIENTS rather than because you need some simple MONEY. It's not working like this.

Should I tell you how I can do it you won't do it, as nothing can be substituted from real life experience. It's similar to asking Pele to explain to you how you can become the best football player of the world? Can you believe is possible just by fulfilling Pele and asking him to discuss with you his victory secrets to make it?

Rather asking someone who is doing this, just PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE on your own!

My advice to everyone who would like to become an effective trader.

Be Ready to LOSE ALL OF YOUR ACCOUNT MONEY AT LEAST 7 - 8 TIMES BEFORE YOU CAN CONSIDER YOURSELF IN THE GAME.

DO NOT GIVE UP

TRADE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE TILL You're A WINNER

LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES BECAUSE YOU WILL MAKE A LOT.

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO IT!

[paodelpri]

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You are one person between the seven billion plus people alive right now. Your view is appreciate but absolutely not accurate.

There's an average of $3.7 billion daily turnover in global foreign exchange market that means that the above sum is changing hands every single moment.

Someone needs to be'really wise man' to believe that all of this trillions wind up to lean atmosphere and no traders win!
Those sky scrapers that home your thousands of friendly-neighborood-brokers hard at work to get your cash don't build themselves.

[Jadede10]

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Rather asking someone who's doing it, just PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE on your own!

My advice to everybody who would like to be an effective trader.

BE PREPARED TO Eliminate All Your ACCOUNT MONEY AT LEAST 7 - 8 TIMES BEFORE YOU CAN CONSIDER YOURSELF IN THE GAME.

DO NOT GIVE UP

TRADE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE TILL YOU ARE A WINNER

LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES BECAUSE YOU WILL MAKE A LOT.

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO IT! Encouraging- I have zeroed my account several times, Perhaps I'm where you are soon, it has only been like 5 years for me personally and ALL that's left is just the emotion, what else is taken care of. . Like you said in the time of a yea I hope to say the same thing.
Good Posthttps://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png

[Gussydede]

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Encouraging- I've zeroed my account several times, Perhaps I will be where you're soon, it has only been like 5 years for me personally and ALL that is left is only the emotion, everything is taken care of. . I hope to say the identical thing like you mentioned in a yea's time.
Good Posthttps://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png Emotion is 80 percent of this game, they said.

[ffernandwzc]

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Emotion is 80 percent of this match, they said. They? The aliens or the CIA? https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png

[CarPattney]

91192All I will add to the ramble is that Foreign Exchange trading is the most profitable business on earth. But believe me it'd take you about 8yrs of blood and perspiration, it took me 10yrs to get to where I am.

I presently manage over $1.5million to get a personal HNW customer and get the market via a major prime broker. And I would not even bother telling you how much I earn on average every month(performance fee) cause it will be of no use to you, it would not make you a consistently profitable trader, itll only make youhttps://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png and always dream about https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png.

Concentrate first on mastering a currency pair and then stick to it. Prior to going to bed, eat it, drink it, suck on it screw it. There is really little you can achieve without fire in life, develope yourself, every other matter will follow.

[Gussydede]

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I don't understand these issues. I had these problems in my very first year. From then on my emotions have been completely left out of this trading business.
Probably you're well-capitalized. In regards with years with expertise, even to under-capitalisation most are under-capitalisation, there'll be still emotions here and there. Just, the swing is too hard to take.

It's matter of truth for many trader, It doesn't mean everybody. Someone who will manage it fast, some never can.

[Gussydede]

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All I can add to this entire ramble is that FX trading is the most profitable company in the world. But believe me it'd take you about 8yrs of sweat and blood, it took me 10yrs for to where I presently am.

I currently handle around $1.5million for a private HNW client and get the market by means of a major prime broker. And that I would not even bother telling you how much I make on average each month(performance charge ) cause it will be of no use to you, it would not make you a consistently profitable trader, itll only make youhttps://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png and... Not sure if you're genuine, but n00bs beware with this sort of announcement.

Constantly ask yourself, if one are so great at it, then they do not have to sell something or manage other people's money.

[CarPattney]

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Not sure if you are genuine, but n00bs agreeing with this sort of statement.

Always ask yourself, in case you're so good at it, they do not have to sell a thing or handle other people's money. Its either you have a problem with the english language or youre too dumb to understand that a simple example of it. I was just giving dumb newbies like you an easy counsel, I re-read what I wrote and cant see anywhere where I actually peddled any fuck...gram merchandise. I trade my private 6figure account and manage to get a customer. Now I cant handle any addittional account trigger my hands are full. Thinking of this, what type of money does the FF member trades??? $200, $1000, $2000 .... Https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png give me a break Stup!!!

[CarPattney]

91192Just a bit advise for you newbies in this particular game. Its not a sprint but a long and demanding marathon. Sad to say, but forex trading is not appropriate for everyone, just like everyone cant become a pilot, a doctor, or an engineer. Just cause you have a dick dont mean you can be a pornstar!

Its simpler to earn a doctorate degree in atomic physics than to become consistently profitable and adept in fx trading.This is a serious business and youll have to spend years of very hard work and a lot of character alterations to have a unique edge

[ThatWeedDude]

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Its that you are having trouble with the english language or youre too dumb to understand a very simple example of it. I was only giving stupid newbies like you an easy advise, I re-read what I wrote and cant see anywhere where I actually peddled any fuck...g merchandise. I exchange my 6figure account and manage for a client. Now I cant handle any addittional account cause my hands are full. Thinking of it, what type of money does the FF member transactions??? $200, $1000, $2000 .... Https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png give me a rest Stup!!! With your answer. Goes your creditably as a fund manager. Your reaction would only allow a deaf person to want to invest with you. I am prepared to go back and forth with internet'gurus' . Yet GURUS earn profit in this trading system that is societal. If a person is truly earning a living in FX. Then I believe they ought to be making withdrawals.

[Bluuws]

91192
I can add to this whole ramble is that Foreign Exchange trading is the most profitable business in the world. Really I thought it was religion. =o)

[Gussydede]

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Its that you are having trouble with the english language or youre too dumb to comprehend a simple instance of it. I was just giving dumb newbies like you an easy advise, I re-read what I wrote and cant see anywhere where I actually peddled any fuck...gram product. I exchange my private 6figure account and manage to get a customer. Now I cant handle any addittional account cause my hands are complete. Thinking of this, what kind of money does the typical FF member transactions??? $200, $1000, $2000 .... Https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/1529336951.png provide me a break Stup!!! Are you another 15 years old?

Oh, you are just a member to get a fantastic couple of months, probably enough time to find out that acquiring the n00b's cash is simpler than trading.

[Noemi2704]

91192LOL. .and out!

[paodelpri]

Act stupid when dealing with the mob, they'll tap you and buy a beer.
Demone your gift when dealing with your peers, they'll praise and reward you.
Either way would be a lot of fun.

[Leoxaal]

91192I am painfully conscious of the fact it is easier (much in fact) to exchange a demo than a true account. At the outset I was annoyed by people who spoke about the'emotions' being the most important thing in forex. I have proved it. On the real account I really do not do everything well, but on the demo I have done (literally) more than 100 trades with no reduction many times.

[Oxnirropk]

91192Makavelli7, can I ask: did you develop from a small account? What were your milestones? Are you exclusively Forex?

You understand, 3 powerful traders have posted, but not a single person has asked us how we got this far. I'm not even close to Makavelli7, but I, and presumably Trader_V, nonetheless have something to offer. We've largely received no more than skepticism and mocking (not from everyone ). This is one of those big things which separates men and women. Traders who will succeed in this are hungry because of this, and spend as much time as they can figuring out as far as they can for themselvesand getting as much info from other traders as possible. People who won't triumph spend this valuable time cynically mocking the powerful and seem convinced it's an illusion simply because Profit was not given to them.

[paodelpri]

91192... come on stop it . Nobody is interested in any person's success.
We are all losers here. So post and then please go lose all your money

[Ticki]

91192It's fun to contend with people online when you have a lot of time allow me to waste some time .

With all the BS that goes around in the trading business one needs to be very cautious to protect his precious money. In this forum have been cases where people claimed they had been successful and ended as sc or at best egomaniacs who simply wished to *be* something significant in an online line neighborhood. Recent instance a man who claims that he can teach the methods of a trader but was begging to rise $50k from charity to cover up his costly reckless life mistakes. Another classic example is off course Jacko. You realize that people are feed up with this kind of crap.

Off course anyone is free to announce himself whatever he wants in an on line community.The other party has the duty to become skeptic and filter anything has been said. Especially when money is involved.

The trade explorers in this website are a great helping tool. If a person makes a claim about his successes he back it up with some evidence (demo or live). He is not who he claims to be, if not it is safer to assume.

Again nobody is obligated to provide any evidence for anything but everybody else is obligated to face him with skepticism.

[Gussydede]

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The trade explorers in this website are a great helping instrument. If someone makes a claim about his successes that he better back it up with some proof (demo or live). He's not who he claims to be, if not it is safer to assume.


Believe it or not, I make $13427340027 per day and I'm just another random internet person.

[Gussydede]

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Again nobody is obligated to supply any evidence for anything but everybody else is obligated to face him with disbelief. A little skepticism and somebody else is feeling like something sticking in his arse.

That ego could be good for trading

[Oxnirropk]

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It's fun to argue with different people on the Internet when you have much time to kill so let me waste some time . KMidas, I simply looked in the signature. The problem with encouraging the trombones is that not only can they play louderthey also drag even more! Nothing like an bone section to deliver The Ride out of a rate of 100 all the way down.

[samwlsok]

91192Bravo Rob,

Plus it is for a number of the reasons that you stated that I seldom post on this site anymore.


Makavelli7, can I ask: did you grow from a little account? What were your milestones? Are you currently exclusively Forex?

You realize, 3 successful traders have posted, but not just one person has asked us how we got this way. I'm not even close to Makavelli7, but I, and presumably, nonetheless have some thing to offer. We've largely received no more than skepticism and mocking (not out of everyone ). This is one of the things that separates men and women. Traders who will finally succeed at this are hungry for it,...

[Ticki]

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, I simply looked at your signature. With encouraging the trombones, the problem is not only can they play they also drag more! Nothing like an bone segment to bring The Ride all the way down. Yeah. . I know. Some times I behave as a trombone just for the fun of it. Some times I believe I assist people with helpful comments. Some times hopefully I really do both. From the comic book that was attached Internet discussions can be summed in any event. Fantastic time wasters but unsure in their life lesson value.

[paodelpri]

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Here's one simple counterargument: Considering the number of market participants and the amount and frequency of speculative market action, it's statistically impossible that nobody is making consistent and significant returns from trading. Certainly not statisically impossible. For example, you need to consider that each fx broker in the world places to a dog and pony show every month to get canon fodder that is fresh; new accounts to substitute the ones.



However, it's hard to generate a case for winning traders are only lucky whenever there are folk who've been making a consistent living at it, year after year. Since Gary Player (the fantastic South African golfer) once said, the more I practise, the luckier I get. My experience is that this applies to trading. Lucky? why not. It is a distribution curve that is simple. You will have all, intense winners and intense winners. And yes you can be lucky for 40 years (the poster boys of this industry). For the next component, practise makes perfect, yes. The more you practise to bake the cake that is prefect the greater the cake.
The more you practise a random result action (trading). . Results will be random...

[Jadede10]

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hello trickshady.... My guess will be your guess is probably accurate....

There'll always be those that doubt the success of the others.... They waste valuable time trying to establish those doubts rather than enhance their own success....

Somebody asked for evidence.... Here it is, verified beyond any doubt...h Its been because 2010 and this guy is disciplined and he's having a steady expansion, this is encouraging.

[jotagete]

91192i have read some news articles about self-made millionaires from stock/forex trading. . And my colleague is into it for a year, he rather introduced me since I'm trading stock...

began forex for 3months, and I'm at the reds... great news is I have stablized my own egy and regaining my loss . . Hopefully 1 day I would be living like, but with no guys taking my money D

[oxr321]

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certainly not statisically impossible. By way of instance, you must consider that every fx broker on earth puts on a pony and dog show every month to get canon fodder; new accounts to replace the ones.




Lucky? why not. It's a distribution curve that is simple. You'll have winners and losers that are extreme, all. And you can be lucky for 40 years (the poster boys of this industry). For the next part, practise makes perfect, yes. The more you practise to bake the prefect cake that the better the cake.
The more you... Oh, nice to see you here

Look out for my bills, only an average Joe with a Fulltime job slaying the market

[Tataylo]

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Lucky? why not. It is a distribution curve that is simple. You will have all based on luck, winners and winners that are extreme. And yes you can be lucky for 40 years (the poster boys of the industry).... The more you practise a random outcome action (trading). . Results will be arbitrary... it is possible to believe that if you want to. My bottom line does not impact.

Again, please excuse my conceit, but I must wonder why naysayers waste their time posting on forums such as this. If they're convinced that profitable FX is impossible, then there's nothing for them. And if they believe they can persuade those who are effective that their outcomes are mere luck I'm afraid the latter will simply ignore them, smile quietly to themselves, and keep banking their profits for as long as they're able.

To those who've insisted on proof (e.g. Trade Explorer), nicely, IMO that is more than a little audacious. What is in it for me, When I was to post my results? Exposing myself to public scrutiny will create a new sort of pressure, and possibly undesirable e-mails asking me to share my egy. I'm not promoting my system; I don't feel the need to show anything to anybody else. People can (and no doubt will) infer whatever they like from my position, but why should that bother me? And if they want to go on believing that profitable FX is impossible until they see proof why should that be my problem?

Why do casinos triumph, over time? Although the games they offer are apparently arbitrary, and punters may get lucky in the short term, the house advantage prevails.

Thus the trading argument ultimately resolves itself down to the same question: Why is price movement a completely random walk? If the answer is no, then you will find inequities which are exploitable. Then it turns into a test of experience and nature: i.e. who's clever enough to locate them, devise a suitable system, and take care of the discipline and composure required to implement it.

[CarPattney]

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LOL. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am a developer, not a br0ker.

I am a commercial member since I have one product in the commercial forum. It is against the rules to post a link , however you can find it easily enough if you want to. It is a visual order management system, and transaction manager, for MT4. (As opposed to people dodgy $97 EAs that can bleed your account). The same as all other software products, in case you see value in it, you may select to buy itif you believe it's junk, you spend your money elsewhere.

Now may I ask you a question? If... they're hanging arround likely someone would shed the holy grail on their laps these days.

[CarPattney]

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I earn enough to live a nice life, I no longer have problems with forex taking my money but I have problems with women taking my cash All you clueless critics, that is one person which makes consistent profits from the markets. And transactions a 6 figure account with citifxpro.

[Jadede10]

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I earn enough to live a wonderful life, I have issues with Foreign Exchange accepting my money but I have issues with girls taking my cash you've got jack shit guy. People that are good are not afraid to reveal, assess Usain Bolt, Mohammed Ali etc why would you conceal the good, it is normal to hid ethe bad, however, the god .mm, I just don't this so.Prove it like
https://www.cliqforex.com/general-forex-discussion/2798-fx-30-yr-notes.html.

[Jadede10]

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You can believe that if you want to. What anyone else thinks doesn't impact my bottom line....

To people who've insisted on proof (e.g. Trade Explorer), well, IMO that's more than a bit audacious. If I was to post my own results, what's in it for me? Exposing myself to public scrutiny will only make a new type of pressure, and potentially undesirable e-mails asking me to share my egy. I am not selling my system; I do not feel the need to prove anything to anyone else. People can (and no doubt will) infer whatever they enjoy from my stance,... These sort of responses make me laugh.
But then, I guess that's why we have these forums differently we'd just become depressed and jump off the roofs after dropping our hard earned money on these bloody charts.

[CarPattney]

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you have jack shit man. People who are good are not afraid to show it, check Usain Bolt, Mohammed Ali etc , why would you hide the good, it is normal to hid ethe poor, but the god .mm, I simply don't this so.Prove it like
https://www.cliqforex.com/trading-system-and-egies/2826-real-charts-prophet-trading.html He should start pasting his trades on a f.. k.. Gram explorer to establish what point? And to who? . He is not selling any dumb EA program niether is he looking for almost any micro accounts.

All you newbies, dont be discouraged by what some frued traders who are too lazy to do the hard work and are always jumping from 1 EA to another are stating here.

Forex Currency trading has become the most lucrative business on earth, but the cash is not on a tree in which you stroll by and pluck, youll need to put in years of hard work, sweat and blood and a whole lot of determination. Stay away from signals and silly EA's being peddled cause they're all Move on the time frames to trading.

[Oxnirropk]

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He should start pasting his transactions on a f.. k.. G explorer to establish what point? And to that? . He is not selling any EA app niether is he looking for almost any micro accounts.

Whatever you newbies, dont be discouraged by what some frued traders that are too lazy to do the hard work and are always jumping from 1 EA to some are saying here.

Forex Currency trading is the most profitable business on earth, but the cash is not on a tree in which you just stroll by and pluck, youll have to put in a long time of hard work, sweat and blood and a whole lot of... Makavelli7, only let them wallow in their distress. Some folks have such large egos and/or are so small-minded that they actually believe no one else is, if they're not capable of doing something .

But yeah, to the newbies: ignore them. People succeed, period. Handed to them, that are looking for explanations, who wish to blame others for their failures and inadequacies, fail, period. It required me 3-1/2 years to turn the corner; it requires some 5 and others 18-24 months, 6 and 10 or even 8 years to do it. It comes down to hard work and talent .

[Pilarpiluca]

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Forex Currency trading is the most profitable business on earth ROFL
Good try, but it is rather obvious that is not the case. Props for the attempt!

Check out this. I really don't have the time to go through all the pages, but if you find anybody from the best billionaires in the world who is trading forex for a living then post it here. Won't make it the most profitable business, since on first page none of the people do forex.
Http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/#p_1_s_a0_All industries_All countries_All states_

And as always, have a Great day!

[fanl1]

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Makavelli7, just let them wallow in their distress. Some folks have such big egos and/or are so small-minded that they really believe then no one else is if they are not capable of doing some thing . Pretty much.

[Pater.JD]

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Stay away from absurd EA's and signals being peddled cause they're all jackshit!!! Proceed on the time frames to trading. Truth~

Also notice that you can readily create a credible-looking EA yourself by mixing several indiors that provide nice some signals during the week. Also notice how many people are willing to pay for it (and how much). Then keep stressing the possible potential maximum profit and people will flock to your EA. That's pretty much how to earn money.

[oxr321]

91192I'd imagine it must be VERY FRUSTRATING to trade Currency Market believing it is totally random like gambling, so let's have a little understanding for their negative attitude eh and these Completely clueless cynics

[fanl1]

Keep a look out for my statements and we'll see who turns green When I see someone posting statements online to the endless internet skeptics, egomaniacs, sore losers and trolls instead of trading or enjoying their yields, I question whether he/she is really a pro. It is just a thing to do.


Https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/15194600951153525303.png


Don't get me wrong, it is ok to be skeptical and ask questions regarding market randomness (really it is great ), but to claim the market as unbeatable and demand that those who do win venture out of the way to show you otherwise? lol Get over yourselves.

[CarPattney]

As a newcomer, I can only respect those with continuous income from fx market. Last year, I began and I'm still on a demo account. I find it so hard to have routine returns given the fact that you have to be constantly on alert concerning news affecting the pairs you're trading, plus you have to make, test and enhance a egy knowing that your hypothetical results don't guarantee future gains and ultimately deal with all the shitty hints of your broker like the most loved one: stop hunting Hi Valid,

that I wount give you signs or a composed transaction egy but ill send you a PM with some very usefull tips about how to drastically lower your learning curve, and over a time period, develope a constant and highly profitable trade entry and exit method totally suited to your person.

[dacbb]

Asking someone is simply rude and childish. It shows that you're simply interested in money and not. An info will not make you a better trader same as blomberg terminal won't.
Hedge fund trader seeking to establish something on public forum is pathetic too (sorry mate),
The best traders are those that do not talk about money - they talk about trading as cash is not important. Just because someone does 10 percent a month doesn't mean you will ever do .
Big props for the guy who dig the entire thing after 8 years or something, If I won't be able to go full time in next two I'll stop and do something else.
Three years is more than enough for me - anything above is not worth it.
Be serious men
Tom

[fanl1]

@Tom: Well said .

[LuChwznO]

Hi Valid,

I wount give you signs or a composed commerce egy but ill send you a PM with some very usefull tips on how to drastically reduce your learning curve, and over a time period, develope a constant and extremely profitable trade entry and exit method entirely suited to your person. Thank you a lot Makavelli

[oxdnice]

I havent made even a dollar since I started. For me is always similar to this:

Lose big win gradually break even lose big.

Repeat



I have stopped trading, I am taking a break, I'll come back next year.

But again I am very busy person, so I havent heard a lot. I dont even have enough time.

[paodelpri]

The very fact that you can find individuals eager to associate with 30 pounds to buy a book they already know will tell them they just can not win in the markets, only shows how many idiots there are in this world About those idiots... Surely you realize that many folks spent a lot,lot over 30 pounds on investing associated books or trading associated services and 90% of it is crap.
Looking for answers in the usual areas isn't going to work.
It's like preaching to the choir.

[oxr321]

When I find someone posting statements online to the unlimited online skeptics, egomaniacs, sore losers and trolls instead of trading or enjoying their returns, I wonder whether he/she is a real pro. It's just a thing to do.


Https://www.cliqforex.com/attachments/15194600962008007624.png


Don't get me wrong, it is okay to be skeptical and ask questions about market randomness (actually it is good), but to claim the market as unbeatable and demand that those who do win go from their... I know what you are saying, however check my prior article, I'm no pro, never said I was.
And I have a little history in a prior thread.
The reason I'm doing this is because rookies (me and others), profit nothing from the rediculous thought that no one can make long term sustainable profits in forex. This is s thought and it seems to be the idea that is currently evolving in this thread too.

A previous thread, (long term profitable in forex is hopeless ), appears to have expired (thank goodness) but sadly this thread appears to be taken over by the identical negative skeptics.

It had been discussed in that thread a negative debate is quite difficult to prove (hopeless profits), therefore in the interest of supporting fellow rookies and confirming my theory of management instead of randomness from the GU market, I'll post my statements.
Correct, this is the Internet we do have higher flexibility with expression, so that's what I'll do.
Negativity in this game is pretty much the LAST thing we need.

[oxr321]

About those idiots... Certainly you realize that many folks spent a lot,lot more than 30 pounds on trading related novels or trading related services and 90% of it's all crap.
Looking for answers at the usual places is not likely to do the job.
It is like preaching to the choir. I completely agree 100 percent, I have never bought or see a single FX publication. Is the one you posted any

Have you contacted the 3 pro traders here on FF I told you about?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people who do not understand how to trade have been in no place to judge its possible. Their negativity simply discourages others. Wants evidence, I'll provide it.

[Tataylo]

Keep a look out for my statements and we'll see who turns green I concur with you, but I'm afraid you will not ever convince a skeptic. Prove them 2 decades of profit, 5 decades of profit, 10 decades of profit.... And they will say that you're merely a statistical outlier, the product of a distribution.

Shows:
I concur, Taleb Is a Superb author. I've read Fooled by the Swan and Randomness. In addition, I concur that the effect of statistical fluctuation is grossly underestimated by the huge majority of individuals.

However, as far as I'm aware, nowhere does Taleb state outright that profitable trading is impossible.

[oxr321]

I concur with you, but I'm afraid you will not ever convince a skeptic. Prove them two decades of profit, 5 decades of profit, 10 decades of profit.... And they will say that you are nothing more than a statistical outlier, the product of a random distribution.

@:
I concur, Taleb is a great writer. I have read Fooled by Randomness and the Black Swan. I also concur that the impact of fluctuation is underestimated by the vast majority of people.

But, at least as far as I'm aware, nowhere does... I simply don't think in complete randomness in GU market. That is why I decided to trade it just.
Yep hard to convince a skeptic, but I look forward to casting a thick cloud of doubt on their debate all the same.
An unwitting product of random distribution...
Maybe. . , my mum always said I was special

[Jadede10]

I havent made even a dollar since I started. For me is always like that:

Lose huge win slowly break even lose large.

Duplicate



I have stopped trading, I'm taking a rest, I'll come back next year.

But I am very busy person, so I havent heard a lot. I dont have time to trade. Stop trading man, it's not working for you,Give it up

[ffernandwzc]

I havent made even a dollar because I began. For me is always like that:

Lose huge win gradually break even lose big.

Duplicate



I have stopped trading, I'm taking a break, I will return next year.

But I am quite busy person, so I havent heard a lot. I dont have time to trade. It requires years and a lot of dediion to become great at this, and some never make it. You want to ask yourself if it's worth it. And as you are a person that is really busy and haven't time to learn I suggest you entrust your money or put it.

[Gussydede]

He must begin gluing his transactions on a f.. k.. Gram explorer to establish what point? And to that? . He's not selling any dumb EA app niether is he searching for almost any micro accounts.

All you newbies, dont be discouraged by what some frued traders that are too lazy to do the tough work and are constantly jumping from one EA to another are saying here.

Forex trading is the most profitable business in the world, but the money is not on a tree in which you just stroll by and pluck, youll have to put in years of hard work, sweat and blood and a whole lot of judgement.... Prove to no-one. When you claim something and do not come with any proof, then people have the best to interrogate and when folks are skeptical, you begin to call them idiots, who is the idiot here?

We are just keyboard warriors basically lol, if you are making it didn't contribute nothing regarding to trading here, then that is it, you are nothing, like me. That is all, just some ego.

[Jadede10]

Prove to Nobody. When you claim something and do not come with any evidence, then individuals have the right to skeptic and when folks are skeptical, you begin to call them idiots, who is the actual idiot here?

We're only computer keyboard warriors basically lol, if you are making it and didn't contribute nothing regarding trading here, then that is it, you are nothing, such as me. That's all just some ego. Well stated Duyk, it is easy, when you boast of a few success, prove it or just don't discuss the Topic, period.I can not be seen to be saying, I am the Very Best in so and so and when people ask for evidence, you say You are being Idiotic in asking evidence, now that is Somewhat humorous

[ffernandwzc]

Well said Duyk, it's easy, when you boast of a few success, establish it or just don't speak about the topic, period.I can not be regarded as saying, I'm the best in so and so and when people ask for evidence, you say You are being Idiotic in asking evidence, now that's a bit funny When I boast about my powerful business which makes great profits each year, then depending on your logic I have to offer him the financial statements along with the memorandum of partnership? Haha, what a joke. That I would find idiotic. Nobody would ever do that.

Get some realism.

[fanl1]

So when I boast about my successful business that makes good profits every year, then according to your logic I must give him the financial statements along with the memorandum of partnership? Haha, what a joke. I would find idiotic. Nobody would do that.

Acquire some realism. 1

Demanding proof of success is just as silly as boasting about it online. One does not justify the other in anyway.

I guess some people just don't know the interwebs though. Not everything is to be taken as business simply because this is not the actual world rather than everything is verifiable here, so just deal with it and try to work with forums for something a bit more useful or more enjoyable.

[oxr321]

He ...
the subject of this thread has obtained quite a predictable twist
he ...

[Pilarpiluca]

What I am trying to say is that in overall forex is not profitable. Many people lose money. True there are some lucky individuals who make it that spent 5 years of studying. And yes, it is all about money. Would I trade forex as my own business and not make a lot of money? If I would trade for a living, I would expect to earn $150k a year. If I had any business, I would expect to create the exact same amount. Go big or go home! But to make that amount of money with forex would take anyone from 10 years into infinity or just . With that amount of time an individual can come up with a company idea which would earn much more money. Plus the richest people in the world didn't get rich from trading forex, FACT! Perhaps I need to make a thread with a poll asking how many folks bought or may afford a $100k car with the money they make from forex. But we all know that answer is zero.

[oxr321]

What I'm trying to convey is that in overall forex isn't profitable. Many men and women lose money. True are a few lucky individuals who make it that spent 5years of learning. And yes, it's about money. Would I trade forex as my own business and not make a lot of money? If I'd trade for a living, I'd expect to make $150k a year. If I had any business, I'd expect to make the exact same amount. Go big or go home! But to make that amount of money with forex would take anyone from 10 years just or to infinity never. Together with...
I understand your opinion. But 5years of, shouldn't be confused with Luck would not you agree? There is absolutely no way if luck was to decide my fate I'd put 5 years effort into any enterprise.

[oxr321]

I understand your sentiment. However 5 years of, shouldn't be confused with Luck would not you agree? There is absolutely no way if luck was supposed to decide my destiny, I'd place 5 years attempt into any venture. Perhaps I took your quotation of lucky too literally, it is just I Have been hearing random and luck thrown around like a smelly nappie lately and I possibly getting sensitive on it

[Gussydede]

So you assert that you make $283672161 a day, others question and you call them noobs/idiots?

Ok, whatever lol, this can be Internet, say whatever you want, but when I say whatever I want, do not call me idiot.

[Gussydede]

When I boast about my successful business which makes good profits each year, then depending on your logic I must give him the financial statements along with the memorandum of venture? What a joke, haha. I would find idiotic. Nobody would do that.

Acquire some realism. As long as you don't call other people's business as fool, stupid, noob, can't do business for shit, then fine, say whatever you desire.

But in this business, there's a fantastic deal with scam; if somebody came here looking to get some cash to manage; I would be skeptical, because in my estimation, if one can trade successful, there's high chance he will trade his own money rather than trading others's savings or selling signal.

[fanl1]

Perhaps I should create a thread with a poll asking how many people bought or can easily afford a $100k car with the money they earn out of Currency Market. *dual facepalm*

[Jadede10]

Hey, go to the link below. I'm making the cash, what is all of the fuss about.
https://www.cliqforex.com/trading-system-and-egies/2818-system-test-gbp-jpy.html

[fanl1]

Hey, visit the link under. I'm making the cash, what is all the fuss about.
Https://www.cliqforex.com/trading-system-and-egies/2816-15-minutes-success.html omg place your egy and indiors plz.

[yung_mokte]

I am extremely new (extremely new!) But I haven't done bad. Winners, small winners along with a few winners.

I do not really know and don't hesitate to call me a moron but I think perhaps your profitability is directly linked to your risk managment.

For a negative note, and to not take over this thread but I am new here I can not even post a thread to ask a question.

Is there any pairs that trade in the same direction (generally speaking) ie pairs that you wouldn't go long or short on at the same time.

So if I needed a short on say? Gbpusd I shouldn't go on this pair ______ since they generally trade at the same direction?

Any info would be great

[Danichesa]

I am extremely new (extremely new!) However, I haven't done bad. Small winners, a big winners and small losers.

I don't really know and feel free to call me a moron but I think perhaps your profitability is directly connected to your risk managment.

[color=Red]as a negative note, and to not take over this thread but I am new here that I can not even post a thread to ask a question.

Is there some pairs which trade in the same way (generally speaking) ie pairs which you would not go long or short on at the same time.

So if I needed a short on state? ... Hello cjohnsondies,

It is very good to see someone from UAE here on FF besides myself lol.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a personal message.

[yung_mokte]

Hi,

It's good to see someone from UAE here on FF besides myself lol.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a private message. Ya I have been here for 4 years now. Unfortunately I can not send messages however.... Literally I have just been a member to this website now for about.... Oh two hours I believe lol.

[Danichesa]

I am extremely new (extremely new!) But I haven't done bad. Small winners, small winners along with a few big winners.

I don't really know and feel free to call me a moron but I think maybe your profitability is directly linked to a risk managment.

[color=Red]as a negative note, and not to take this thread but I am new here that I can not even post a thread to ask a query.

Is there any pairs which trade in the exact same way (generally speaking) ie pairs which you wouldn't go long or short on at the exact same moment.

So if I needed a short on say? ... To answer your question, some pairs do move in the exact same way at times but I would not think of it like this, my advice would be trade any pair you prefer and trade the chart and also setup infront of you, keep it easy and don't get yourself confused by believing how exactly will X pair's move impact Y pair.

[yung_mokte]

Thank you for your reply, and sorry for posting my query on the thread of someone else.

Great to know that there is someone else here in dubai doing the exact same thing! talk soon hopefully

[Noroxn]

95% of people lose money in forex. That's a FACT.

Of the rest 5% it's split as follow:

30% make between 50 and 200 dollars per month.

30% create with fortune around 1k a month...

and the rest make a living off it, following 10 years of expertise and burning their brain, buttocks , damaging their eyes after so much reading and learning, getting several dental implants and implants after so much coffee and bad customs, and trying to regain their damaged physical and mental health after so much sedentary and stressful life. That's why traders retire early and young, because they do not want to get involved in a unhealthy life.

Only sayin the truth.

The normal Forex Trader has quite a massive EGO, that's the reason you will never see NUMBERS, rather you will notice PERCENTAGES here.

Period.

[Jadede10]

The typical Forex Trader has rather a huge EGO, that is why you will never see NUMBERS, rather you will see PERCENTAGES here.

Period. Well said man, I despise%, let's get the characters man.What's the purpose of boasting 100% achievement on an account with #10? That's similar to a demo account man.I respect somebody who makes 10 percent per year on a account with #100k than somebody who makes 100 percent per year on an account with #10. The degree of stress, nervousness, etc is different

[Tataylo]

95% of people eliminate money in forex. That's a FACT. Maple,

According to what I've read and heard, and my own experience of the issues involved with long-term profitable trading, I can easily believe the numbers that you are quoting.

The 30 percent (of the 5%) that earn between $50 and $200 per month -- I suspect that a number of them are trading tiny positions, with really wide stoplosses, to adapt large drawdowns. Tiny position sizes = tiny returns.

The 30% that are”lucky” -- do you know what statistical (or other) steps are used to ascertain to what extent a trader's performance is caused by skill, or luck? Is it feasible to tell?

Also, from what I've been led to believe, many folk use dodgy MM systems (e.g. Martingale) whose retrieval algo is certain to return the account to profit -- before the'death trade' happens (which in some cases, can take several months, even years). Are you aware of them, and if so, how do they factor into your numbers?

Also, re the numbers which you've quoted, do you really know what percent of traders use optional methods, and what percent use automated methods (EAs)?

Re ego, I think it's a safe wager that self is the reason a lot of printed results are falsified, but I'd also guess that there's a lot of ego involved with saying profitable trading is impossible (”when I can't do it, then nobody else could do it ”).

As I said, I could easily believe the numbers that you are quoting, but if you are going to use words like”FACT” and”truth”, then IMO some hard proof is required, if you would like to get taken seriously, especially by the skeptics that are posting here. What are your sources of advice? Can you give a link?

Thanks,
David

[Oxnirropk]

as a negative note, and not to take over this thread but I'm so new here that I can't even post a thread to ask a query.

Is there any pairs which exchange in the exact same direction (generally speaking) ie pairs which you wouldn't go long or short on at the exact same moment.

So if I had a brief on say? Gbpusd I should not go long on this pair ______ because they generally trade at the exact same direction? Hi cjohnsondies,

Don't be worried about hijacking this thread, it's turned into a joke, anyway. The losers who'll never be successful are bitter about it all they could do is attack those people that are successful.

To your question, this is something I pay attention to. In terms, each currency will have a bullish or bearish bias across all pairs. Therefore, for instance, if AUD is bullish it could go up against EUR (EURAUD heading down), but if JPY is also bullish, AUDJPY may be fairly flat while CADJPY is dropping hard. Make sense?

But also, each currency predominates at distinct times. During 2011, AUD was bullish and I would never be on opposite sides of it. But its dominance is currently weakening and I would be more prone to be on opposite sides.

For another instance, although EUR represents the world's biggest GDP, it can readily be secondary, therefore it wouldn't be uncommon for me to be bullish on EURGBP and bearish on EURAUD, for instance. Right now the only time it seems to dominate is .

Pretty much the only pairs I will never be on opposites sides of are USD pairs and JPY pairs.

Rob

[yung_mokte]

Hi,

Do not be worried about hijacking this thread, it has turned into a joke, anyway. The losers who'll never be successful are so bitter about it is attack those people who are successful.

For your question, this is something that I listen to. In loose terms, each currency will have a bullish or bearish bias across all pairs. Therefore, as an instance, if AUD is bullish it could go up strongly against EUR (EURAUD going down), but if JPY is also bullish, AUDJPY may be fairly flat while CADJPY is dropping hard. Make sense?

But...
great advice partner, and that makes me think of another angle which I often wonder because someone told me that when the pound is bullish the euro is generally heading up too and vise versa, so don't get caught in a senario in which you are shorting the GBP and extended over the EUR.

Is there any truth to this and if so is there any other currencies which do so say for example the NZD and AUD because they're so near and it would seem they would almost gain from each others favorable financial info. Take for instance the CAD riding the coat tails onto the favorable news that just came out about the american economy.

To be frank I am very new and just trying to get a few down ground rules, I have a trading plan, I always use stop losses and utilize a pretty great system which has me up quite a few pips thus far. I simply don't want a few things bring me down. Matters in which the seasoned trader would look at my transactions and state something like oh well there's your problem you are going blah blah blah if you should have stayed away from this all hope this rambling makes sense. Just trying to preserve my capital and get the hiccups I presume.

cory

[Rodrivelwz]

I am extremely new (extremely new!) But I haven't done bad. Small winners, small losers and a couple big winners.

I don't really know and don't hesitate to call me a moron but I think perhaps your profitability is directly connected to your risk managment.

As a negative note, and not to take over this thread but I am so new here that I can't even post a thread to ask a query.

Is there some pairs which exchange in the same direction (generally speaking) ie pairs which you wouldn't go short or long on at the same moment. ...
Have a play around with this correlation table. Hope it will help a bit.

Http://www.forexticket.co.uk/en/tools/01-01-correlation



great advice mate, and that makes me think of another angle which I often wonder because somebody told me that if the pound is bullish the euro is generally going up as well and vise versa, so don't get trapped at a senario where you're shorting the GBP and long over the EUR. Generally right if EUR/GBP is steady. But EUR/GBP has not been that stable lately so if EUR/GBP is moving down and we've got general US$ strength, you may notice that E/U is dropping faster than GBP/USD or at the lack of US$ strength, E/U may still be heading down while GBP/USD is remaining stable or perhaps going up. Now is a good illustration of that.

Ahead of the GFC, EUR/GBP was at a relatively small range so that it was generally true that if E/U was bullish, G/U would follow. Not too much nowadays.

[yung_mokte]

Have a play around with this particular correlation table. Hope it helps a little.

Http://www.forexticket.co.uk/en/tools/01-01-correlation




Generally right if EUR/GBP is steady. However, EUR/GBP hasn't been stable lately so if EUR/GBP is moving down and we've got general US$ strength, you might note that E/U is falling faster than GBP/USD or in the lack of US$ strength, E/U might still be moving down while GBP/USD is either remaining steady or even going up. Now is a good illustration of that.

Before the GFC, EUR/GBP was in a relatively... seriously man! Thanks so much! Definitely great food for thought

cory

[fanl1]

seriously man! Thanks so much! Female traders do exist, and can be just one.

[Oxnirropk]

great info mate, and that makes me think about another angle which I often wonder about because someone explained that when the pound is bullish the euro is generally heading up too and vise versa, so don't get caught at a senario where you are shorting the GBP and extended on the EUR.

Is there some truth to this and if so is there some other currencies which do this say for instance that the NZD and AUD since the are so near and it would seem that they would almost gain from each others favorable fiscal info. Take for example the CAD riding the jacket... cjohnsondies, that's very good info from, along with the tables at the connection pretty much sum this up.

There may be two methods to look at this in a practical sense. One, if both AUD and NZD are bullish, you can look to the same currency paired with AUD and NZD (EURAUD and EURNZD, by way of instance ) to determine which appears more bearish and that are the greater transaction (EURAUD and EURNZD will return if AUD and NZD are bullish).

But for number two, and this is just an extension of number one, you can build a basket trade, where you just take one or two or three AUD pairs or one or two or three NZD pairs, divide your position size and set a smaller transaction on each of these. The cause of this is, by way of example, GBPAUD might be a better mover than EURAUD, but you wouldn't know that beforehand. I do this with JPY pairs, except USDJPY - it is in its very own world. Therefore, once the world becomes normal again, a possible basket might be to brief EURAUD, EURNZD, GBPAUD and GBPNZD, each having a place.

Rob